Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign.
Well, hi everybody. It's time Halliday here with the second edition of Haller's Playbook.
First we talked to an amazing racing car driver, Dino Samparelli. Hope you got sight of that. All about high speed pressure from a top racing car driver. But something completely different this week.
There's a bit of a rugby theme here for obvious reasons because there's a lot of rugby being played, not least the British and Irish Lions this weekend.
But I'm talking to you from Welburn Out Wine Estate with Sculp Burger on my right. Our original sporting winemaker, Sculp played for the Springboks some years ago with similar vintages.
But I'll come on to that. But before we get going here from the tasting room at Welburn at Wine Estate and we're going to feature some wines as well as some chat about rugby. I'd like to thank first of all Mass Group who's sponsoring this podcast, Multi Asset Solutions in the fintech world.
Across currency, across digital currencies, across funds and fast growing business I'm proud to be associated with. So thank you to them for allowing this to happen.
And before we get going and I introduce Skulk to you. This is Mandela day in South Africa. So we'll all remember one of the most iconic moments in sport when Nelson Mandela donned the Springbok rugby shirt before that memorable final against the All Blacks in 1995 when they won the rugby World cup, lifted aloft by Francois Pienaard. And I think that the legacy of Nelson Mandela lives on for everything he represents. So it's a special day here in South Africa and without more ado, I'm just going to introduce Skulk.
We're going to mention a few wines. Why wouldn't we? Because here we are in center of the sporting wine industry, I would say one hour north of Cape Town. So I thought Skulk just to say hi, tell us a bit more about the surroundings, a little bit about Zara Korea and then we'll.
I think we're going to just sample one of a number of quality wines. We have here a little selection to, to keep you all in, in good odor on a, on a day like this. Beautiful weather outside, quite alpine.
Got there for a blazing log fire behind us because it's the touch Chilly skull. Welcome.
[00:02:43] Speaker B: No, thank you, Simon. It's great pleasure to be part of this podcast. Also thank you to all your sponsors that you've mentioned and so forth.
It's winter in South Africa, you know, we tend to do a few things. In winter we love to sit in front of fires above us. You know, we go hunting a few remnants of a few animals that we hunt. You know, the kudu, the springbok, which is animal royalty, beers and, and the canoe and also hemp smoke behind us, which we normally make up into bolton and you know, and meat, you know, we like to eat that.
And then obviously in winter there's rugby, you know, in South Africa and all of this goes together. It's very interesting. In the old days if you went to a rugby match of test, you had to have your little bag of bilto, you know, biltong is your dried meat. Americans would call it jerky.
And before the match there would be a big discussion about where did you shoot the springbok? Or this could be, should it be drier, less this and whatever.
So it's, you know, sitting here and the fire and talking about it and obviously an important and a wonderful man. He was very close to us as a family. Mr. Mandela.
And do you think it was 30 years ago that we won that memorable World Cup? And I'll never forget sitting in the stadium and the 747 bone coming straight at us. First ever flyover by a jumbo jet and it just set the day and it turned up and underneath its wings and that. Go Booker, go. You know, did they have permission to.
[00:04:30] Speaker A: Do that by the way, or did it just. The captains just took a view and turned left and said set of.
[00:04:35] Speaker B: Oh no, no, it was all pre planned. The captain was dear friend of mine too. Lori K.
You When I was a youngster and I used to still fly, he was one of our heroes, that unique things in the aerobatics.
But for him it was also a fantastic thing because the first time ever that a 747 was allowed to fly that low. And they actually practiced four, five times first in simulators to do it because it was at the low speed.
But it just set the tone, you know. And then the whole of the new South Africa, remember 94 with the free fair elections, sitting there and out walks our president in the number six jersey. And I mean, you know, that was just even further. And I think it unified the country, you know, a year after free and fair elections and you know, we still longing for Mr. Mandela as such.
[00:05:27] Speaker A: Well, they, they say, many people say it was the most transformative event in the world of sport and politics. And I think we look back and I can see why they say that, and rightly so. But listen, here we are at Deep in the Winelands, Wellington. And it might be appropriate for us to understand one of your newest wines whilst we're here. To the Oakdene Road which surrounds this whole region. Scout, tell us about the Oakdene. And we're just going to.
[00:05:58] Speaker B: Yeah, road is iconic road. It's, it's from previous early 1700s.
In those days it used to be a little ox wagon trail up against Grumbach Mountain and, and a lot of great farms. And actually Valbadach in 1972 was the farmer Milanza owned the farm for over 180 years. He became farmer of the year in South Africa.
So it's a testament to the wonderful terroir. But it's all decomposed granite soils.
So Oakdene Road, really iconic sort of like area. But here's obviously one of the first Afrikaans schools here on my farm.
So it was very integral to this whole little community in the days when the guys used to go come to school on donkey back and horseback and you know, ox wagons before cars. So Oakdene Road's been there for a long time. We did something unique with the label. You see there's a bit of a cutout, one of the first salvadivas of labels. The name Oakdean is cut out and there's a single label and just for in you know, talking about sponsors with technology and so that's the rear, that's the road, the Oakdine Road. And we did it uniquely in it's, it's a single label wraparound which then the area that's open instead of just being a straight line and it tells the story about the road that leads up to our wonderful piece of terroir. You know, to get to any place to have a sense of belonging, place of, of where the wines come from. And we thought we would honor Oakdene Road.
[00:07:45] Speaker A: It's probably not too early just to have a little sample of this wonderful wine. Totally new wine and just arrived in the UK market. So. Cheers.
Delicious. Delicious and a great, great kicker to move on and talk about lots of interesting things and the sculpt for me you as an international lock played in the 80s. Happily I was injured for the tour. I could have come to South Africa when Skulk was.
Yeah and probably for me as well given that some of the great names of the past like Peter Winterbot and John hall came out here and I think got a traditional spring welcome from the likes of Skulk and we lost the series two nil. But we don't need to Dwell on that or sculpt Mike when I ask him to, to come in on this. But, you know, having had a, a career in, in rugby, like me, amateur career, I guess, during a quite difficult period because you would have played many more times in Springboks, but it was in the 80s when not much sport was being played against South Africa.
But when, when you, when you finish that amazing time, what gets you thinking? I want to go into the wine industry. I mean, you can reflect a little bit on the rugby as well. But that's obviously, I think, something really interesting to hear.
[00:09:12] Speaker B: Neil. Well, yeah, obviously, you know, to get into wine, it's not that easy.
Just as it was to become a Springbok Inada is because for three, four years there wouldn't be a test. Then all of a sudden there was a test series and in 81 I didn't make the tour to New Zealand and was a bit politically motivated. I was a bit of, of a lefty at that stage. We don't talk too much about that, but we knew that was going to be the last tour for many years. They only toured in 92, so there was 11 years between the two. Can't believe that the screenbox never toured 81 to 92.
And then obviously in 84 when the England side came out, we thought that was going to be the last tour to South Africa. So I didn't mate it. I had a few injuries here and there and thankfully that's when I made my debut against England in Port Elizabeth, you know, John Scott side.
And then there weren't any tests till 86 when New Zealand actually came. But once they got here, it says Blazey, the president said they weren't allowed to play as New Zealanders. They became the Cavaliers. But I was very lucky just prior to that to meet up with Andy Hayden, Cowboy Shaw, Dave Loved and all those guys. When I played for the World 15 at Cardiff during the centenary celebrations of, of World Rugby, which I was the only South African and then obviously between 86 and 92 there were no tests at all. So if you think these days were the guys who play 10, 12, very easy tests a year, somebody could have played, you know, like 70 tests in that period of time.
So. But, you know, we don't tend to dwell on it that much anymore. But there could have been a hell of a lot of great players still to come up, you know, out of South Africa. But that was sports isolation. And thankfully then in 92, pre free and fair elections, Mr. Mandana at this wonderful idea, he Said sport will help make the elections more free and fair and easier to do.
So we all thought that we'd first have the elections and thereafter be allowed into World Rugby. But Mr. Mandela said no. And actually it started in 91, December 91, just after all the original negotiations had been done. He allowed Clive Rice to take a team cricket team to India and was in December 9, 91, 92. Then Australia, New Zealand came and toured there. And from there, you know, it built up fantastic.
[00:11:54] Speaker A: Well, actually, as you mentioned, cricket, I'm just going to introduce cricket into the mix now because obviously you've had a fantastic series, a test match where England got past India in the last session of the fifth day.
Skulk's vineyard here, the Welbard out wine estate is quite unique for the fact it has a. The world with act oval cricket pitch out the back where an awful lot of games get played, charity matches and so forth, when the, when the Wild Hogs aren't out there trying to dig the pitch up.
And Sculp, being the original sporting winemaker, has created a wine called the Cricket Pitch. And here it is.
And it's made from the mix of grapes that grow around the boundary edge of the cricket pitch. I mean, couldn't be a better story, could there? But of course, this is a. This one we have Here is the 2003 cricket pitch, which was the. The year that England won a rugby World cup against Australia.
I played in the 91 final, which we lost, but it took 12 years for us to get some sort of revenge against Australia.
And tell us a little bit about the cricket pitch sculpt and then perhaps reflect on the Springboks are double world champions right now. So, you know, you're carrying all of that experience, all of that depth into the next World Cup. So interesting to hear your feelings about that. But just give us a couple of minutes on the cricket pitch.
[00:13:15] Speaker B: Well, the interesting thing about the cricket pitch, I call it an ode to the role that terroir plays in the ancient art of making fine wine and playing the wonderful game of cricket.
Because I became the first farmer in South Africa to start planting all my vineyards. North south, just like a cricket pitch must lie north south. And similar to terrar, you know, the moist, the grass cover all determines how the pitch plays. Do you spin fast bowlers and what, what so forth. So cricket was supposed to be. It was my first love. I wasn't allowed to play that school because my dad being a staunch Afrikaner, my son Sculp was actually supposed to Be a cricketer, not a rugby player.
But why the 2003 is very special to me, also to England for winning the World cup is that it's the same year that my son sculpt became a Springbok and he played in the World cup in 2003. And also this 2003 is the first wine I ever made.
So the 2003 cricket pitch was the first wine and our cellar wasn't finished yet and they wouldn't allow us. We made it actually sour grapeship and make it off premise because they were opposing the farmers around you, all cooperative. So it's a very special wine to me, the 2003, my son becoming a Springbok, my first wine then obviously also England winning the cricket World Cup. So yes, it's, it's very special.
[00:14:46] Speaker A: That's a wonderful story. And I hadn't quite realized the other association of that 2003 and fact is that it is a superlative wine and it has so many contexts which in a way, wine is a currency for so many different things bringing people together. And that's what we find particularly through sport, where the values reflect all of that. And I was going to ask you a little bit about your son, as you've referred to, played in three World Cups.
[00:15:18] Speaker B: Four.
[00:15:19] Speaker A: Four World Cups and won two. One. Okay, well, that's one more than most people.
But it's a great sport of playing under pressure, combating a lot of physical activity and bringing in a wine called the Bacol Block, which has got this wonderful picture of a fist punching a bunch of grapes.
And Skulk is famous for his labels and the visuals and skull. Just talk. Apart from the fact this is an incredible wine that is selling incredibly well in the uk. Now just tell us about why that label A fist, which looks especially like yours punching a bunch of grapes, which could be an English rugby player perhaps. Anyway.
[00:16:11] Speaker B: I couldn't tell you. Chris Butcher wouldn't like to think that that was his first pre or post a fist that he got in the second Test.
[00:16:18] Speaker A: Chris Butcher being the England number eight who got on the wrong end of sculk in the second.
[00:16:25] Speaker B: And we became great mates and his brother John that lives here in Cape Town and so forth.
Firstly, you know, I'm, I'm a man about terroir and I believe that, you know, we would like to embody and show people what comes off our farm office special vineyards. So this is a single block vineyards, which means all the grapes have got to come out of that specific block.
And in designing and what we do as a farm.
[00:16:52] Speaker A: We.
[00:16:53] Speaker B: I believe it's part of being a family farm. You know, we. We try and design our own labels, we write our own scripts and stuff to make it more special, you know, so that even one day, if it's been changed, if you made mistakes, the children or the grandchildren go and change it and say, we'll show the wine and say, I'll just think what my grandfather did here or didn't do. So it's.
If you're buying wine from us, it's. It's from the heart. It's. It's passion more than maybe sometimes brains.
But in any case, when we.
When I was thinking about it, what name can we give a single block? Just not velveta single block. Now, our laborers on the farm, you know, being Afrikaans speaking, they've got beautiful terminologies and wonderful stories.
And our blocks, they've got all registered names like W21 or E3 4, 5 and stuff like that.
But all the blocks, all the major blocks have got a specific name that they call it. So, like the school block that, you know, which is the block around the school, the Shannon Blanc.
And when we looked at this block, what had happened was this one laborer became laborer of the year. My son Tian gave him award in December with a Christmas party, like we normally do.
And he was very proud of it because he was somebody who previously used to be naughty and didn't do all this stuff. And so when they were harvesting six weeks later in February in the block, he was telling everybody he was, look after this block. It's my block. We make money out of it. So beautiful. And it's sensor, you know, which used to be called hermitage in South Africa, which is a 50% part of Pinotage. So everybody said to him, but you don't do all the spraying here. You didn't do all the pruning. He said, no, it's my block. And a massive fight occurred between the laborers. And from that day, my laborers called it block and directly translated means the fighting block. And then we thought, we'll do this little label, tongue in cheese with the. With. With a little fist and stuff and small things. When I was reading my script of the label, the whole story is on here. You'll see there's a little bit of a wine smudge of a glass on this layout. I put my glass down and after tasting it, you know, tasting the wine, thinking, what must I write about it? So we also thought, let's leave the smudge there. It just looks nice. So you know, so it's, it's the way we try and be authentic about our wines being out of a single block. If you come here, I can show you the specific block and, you know, every berry comes from that block.
[00:19:32] Speaker A: I was going to say the authenticity just rings through. There happens to be one of the favorite wines being drunk down at Bath Rugby and other rugby grounds around the country. And you can see why you wouldn't, why would you not have a smile on your face and you pick up a bottle of wine to see a, what looks like a rubby player's fist punching the bunch of grapes. So it just goes to show, you can make so much out of a story with wine as the currency and it goes much further than the liquid within the bottle, which is so good to drink.
So skulk to just say a little bit about the Springboks Double World Champions got incredible depth. They picked two almost totally different sides just recently. But the big tour of New Zealand is coming, which could be a bit of a test of whether Rassie Rasmus is making that change to prepare the team for another World cup in 2027.
[00:20:25] Speaker B: Well, yeah, I think you, you cannot look past one specific fact.
You know, a lot is being made of the coach, not taking anything away from the coach, but the, the amount of talent that has been created, you know, for South Africa, I mean, and, and again, you know, people think I, I'm against Rassie when I say, well put Russie in Wales, would he have the same, you know, results that he's got now?
So the talent that has come through, and it's based on a few issues, the one is that we were one of the first. Well, we are still the only Southern hemisphere country that allows our top players to complain other competitions and we still select them for our national team.
So you can't go past that. So with regards to limited financial resources or not, the guys are going over there, they've been taught, you know, they're playing high level rugby.
And except for that, there are more people getting to know the circumstances. Like in our days, if we had to go and tour, it was unique to us, the fields, the grounds, you know, the adaptation, the people we playing against, you know, it's important to know.
So we've been very lucky in that respect.
And also what has happened is that Rasi has been allowed to select so many more players.
Not many other countries are going to be giving so many test caps away like we are doing. You know, most other countries will say, you can't do this. So now even if you look at it this year, the amount of second and third tier, and I don't think Italy and Georgia would like me to name them as that because that's basically what they are. Second and third tier international teams where you then can play younger players and allow them into the mold. You know, that's what's happening now.
Think the type of players that is allowing to play there.
So this pool of players and, and as long as it glass it's going to be difficult for other, other countries to compete given also the type of play. So we are playing very much a bullying style of, of rugby.
You know, taking the guys on in front and, and first and second channel rush ups and, and, and, and getting the ball over the advantage line.
But we do battle sometimes and then also we must realize looking at the World Cups that are also now behind our names, the last one there was a lot of luck involved to win a quarter, semi and a final with one point, one point when each team had the opportunity to actually beat us with a kick. If you ever look back at that. And it wasn't so.
And then also if you know all the analysts like looking at was the first time in a long time that South Africa was getting the majority of the 50, 50 decisions which has become so integrally important in world rugby, you know, because there are so many 50 50s that can go either way that it's got a massive impact on the game.
And many of those 50 50s went Alba who have gone the other way. You, you know, so I think it's going to be the team as it is, even with injuries. If you think we've got like seven frontline locks, many other countries are battling to have three locks. Yeah, you know, we're playing locks at flank, you know, and stuff like that. We playing a center on flank, you know, I actually think under isos is a flank, not a center. You know, you being a center, you know, you know any guy puts the way too big.
[00:24:22] Speaker A: Way too big. Yeah.
[00:24:23] Speaker B: Puts his ball under the arm and puts his head down and runs onto somebody else. So many South Africans are not happy with this style of play. We think there should be more variation and then we've got some very elusive outside runners. They could just get more ball. You know, if you take the K and Moody's, Kurti Oranges, the Colbys and these type of guys, I think they are leading the world with regards to, you know, there are many people who can step a 2, 2 yard, 3 yard, 1, 2 step. It must be difficult to, you know, to defend against them.
[00:24:59] Speaker A: I think it's a frightening, a frightening picture to be sending off to rival countries who are trying to think about competing in the 27 World Cup. And I can certainly account for the, the huge wealth of talent that exists in this country. Interesting to compare how difficult England or Wales for example, make it for players to play overseas and even France. Whereas Africa has a much approach to that and people get experience around the world in different environments and that crosses the code so much in business that the diversity of your experience, you know, how you go out and learn different things to bring back to your core skills. You know, this is something that sport does and you can either be one tracked and not do it, but. Or you can open up that opportunity, which South African rugby is clearly doing. So I have no doubt in my mind that when 27 hits that talent, if and some of the wide outside talent in South Africa is incredible, getting more ball to them. Well, let's please not make that happen, Skull, because I think we might as well not bother to turn up. But we'll see. I think you mentioned much of Wales, we've mentioned bullying style. Neat leads us neatly onto the British and Irish Lions obviously first test tomorrow and taking the the two week sort of three test series. Australia coming to play South Africa in Cape Town.
Be interesting to see how that plays out with that, that test match experience. But Wales first time haven't got a player in the 23, which tells you something about what's going on in Welsh rugby.
Scots have a lot and I predicted that in some of my pre series chatter. And that brings us neatly to this wonderful production of the Doddy Red which skulk a few years ago in the teeth of the pandemic with Doddy Ware who's sadly not with us anymore. But we all worked together to bring this red wine from one international lot to another international lockdown to raise money and awareness of that terrible disease, this motor neuron disease. And we've just done another edition of the Dottie Red 23 versus the 19 and it seems very topical, isn't it, that the Lions series, which Dottie was an iconic part, sadly got injured in South Africa, so didn't play a full part in the series. But he goes down in history and my name's Doddy foundation is a charity partner of the British and Irish line. So gone skulk over to you for this incredible wine, for what it means as well.
[00:27:39] Speaker B: Yeah, you know, Simon and I must thank you also for the opportunity to have been part Of I see this just not as a. As a wine. I see it as a. As a very aspirational, you know, project with regards to, if you think what Dottie was encountering at this point in time and what he was trying to achieve through his foundation, you know, the awareness and amount of money that he got, even the government, UK government to spend, because it's something that we all would like to stop, you know, and. And there was very little research being done originally in it and so forth.
[00:28:18] Speaker A: And of course, you stand was one of the first.
[00:28:21] Speaker B: And we saw us anti nasaline, two South African guys within a year and a half, one another die of the disease. So when we got to work on. On this project, you know, from one lock to another lock, and I wrote a piece which is out of my heart about the five cultivars in here, which reflect the five real positions in the forwards and the dark arts of. Of playing, you know, being a forward versus the dark arts of making a wide like this.
And I think just the whole project, you know, getting young Fraser to do the label and the name and the benefits to that all. And when we made it, it was something that. That you do. You realize you get like one chance to do it.
And it all culminated when we launched the wine. And I'll never forget, Doddy at that stage was in. In Yugoslavia.
[00:29:19] Speaker A: He was on holiday somewhere.
[00:29:20] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. In the Adriatic coast.
[00:29:22] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:29:23] Speaker B: And we. We did this and. And he was already, you know, you know, quite ill.
And.
And just the way he said thank you and help and the help and the amount of people that supported this, I think that's the big thing. You can make a wonderful idea to have a wonderful idea and a wonderful cause for it, but to all the people who supported it and did a wonderful job in buying the wine and enjoying the wine and this to me, you know, when wine becomes a currency or adds value, you know, it's. It's just not also sometimes what's inside the wine. It's what the wine means to you, you know, and this wine means something to us. It's not the five cultivars that we lovingly put together and blended to be able to be drunk now and also to be salad, which is also difficult, was to make a wine that I think could make Doddy proud and make all of us proud. And also the foundation, which I think also just after this, won an award as one of the best sort of like foundations in the uk.
So for a small part, you know, from a lock to a lock, you know, Through a center. Yeah, you know, it was a wonderful project for us.
[00:30:42] Speaker A: The only thing I didn't, I didn't appreciate, Scott, was that we didn't. There wasn't a single grape variety reflected back.
So perhaps there'll be a wine in the future which reflects all those slightly volatile aspects of playing in a three.
[00:31:01] Speaker B: We'll have to make a white wine.
[00:31:04] Speaker A: With au blanc tins shin and all those stuff. Yeah, we definitely, I think it, you know, perhaps in today's world. You mentioned on.
I'm not sure how I get on against the back lines of today's world because they look as big, as intimidating as some of the forwards did in my day. But, but hey, we, we trained in the evening skulk. You know, we drank our fair share before, during and after matches. In fact, the Irish always say that, you know, if they hadn't had eight pints of Guinness the Wednesday night before an international, they wouldn't perform very well. So we had a different way of preparing for our big rugby matches. But I think what this tells you is that we're lighting a touch paper for a lot of different things. And the doddy wine reaches so many different places in terms of what it means. Skalke said it's not necessarily the liquid in the bottle in this case, it's a world class liquid, but it actually goes and raises money across sport. It transcends sport and so much of sport. And in this case, wine can move across into other areas, other fields because those qualities and those values matter, whether you're in business, whether you're not in business, you're in sport, whether you're making wine or indeed anything else. So I think there's so much crossover.
I'm not saying the crossover extends to shooting wild animals, obviously, because back in, you know, Africa being a country of farmers, of agriculture, of incredible mountains and open, open areas which go on. People say they've been trying to explore Africa for a decade and have not even got halfway around. So is it tougher to, to shoot a kudu or a springbok or a buffalo or. I mean, do you want to tell us one of those little stories? Was it, was it tough to hang out in the bush for a while to.
[00:32:56] Speaker B: Yeah, look, you know, the interesting thing is the habitat and the vegetation that they, they, that they eat, you know, so, you know, springbok eat shrubs and stuff, not really grass. So they, they in the, they planes game. You know, they in the open and stuff.
Kudu are leaf eaters. So they, they up in the little.
You Know, crevices of mountains and stuff like that. So there one thing shooting another thing, sometimes getting it out there, because you can shoot it up in the mountain, you've got to climb up there and find it and bring it down and stuff like that.
But it's, it's a tradition. And, and the big thing is one of the reasons many people see it as. Just kidding.
You've got to control. Since most of these farms are fenced, you've got to control, you know, the count of the amount of animals. Otherwise if they eat up all the vegetation, they start dying and, you know, there's no grazing for them.
So South Africa is the leading country in the world with regards to plains game.
You know, in, in having the amount of good quality game there. So you've got to call them, you've got to keep your numbers good because you get droughts and stuff like that. So it's, it's a whole thing. But each meat also tastes different. And I mean, in these years of all the various problems with regards to being biosensitive and so forth, there's no cleaner and beautiful meat to eat because, you know, there are no steroids or stuff being pumped into them. You know, they're eating just natural grasses.
So, and, and, and it's also a tradition. All young South Africans like to go on a hunt and shoot their own buck. And, and, and we work it, you know, we just don't shoot and kill it. We'll take all the meats. You know, various families have got their own recipes, how they make these sausages, patties and stuff like that.
[00:34:53] Speaker A: And of course, all washed down with some quality wine. And South Africa is a country of many things, but certainly the wine lands here are phenomenal. And, you know, sitting here right in the heart of winemaking country in very traditional area Wellington, it really is. You're in the heart here.
And it's true farmer land. And it's a privilege to have Wilbur Dacht involved with sporting wines. And obviously, you know, people watching this podcast will think, okay, let me get out there, let me experience it. And I'm sure that's something that is eminently possible. And if you were here in person, you would see around that it's a great place to come visit.
[00:35:41] Speaker B: And.
[00:35:43] Speaker A: It takes hours to get around this farm if you wanted to take a tour. So I hope what we brought to you today is a whole mix of different things, through sport, through wine, through the environment. We're in the incredible power of what Nelson Mandela has brought to this country. And going back to that incredible sporting moment in 1995. But I think, you know, many people, many businesses take inspiration from that moment and.
And if we can all bring it together with some quality wine, then I think we get the best of many worlds. So, Skull, to you and to your family and congratulations, everything you've done here. And thank you again to Mass Group for allowing us to bring this to you, because I think this is an incredibly unique place to come with all the different values it represents. So I think.
I'm not sure we're gonna get through much, if any, of this wine, because we've all got a day. But it's.
Hopefully some of you at home will be able to enjoy it, and certainly in South Africa, they very much do. So I'm sure the 2003 World cup will be calling me out saying, where can I get some of this cricket pitch? So sporting wine is where it is. So, Skull, thank you.
[00:36:59] Speaker B: Thanks very much.
[00:37:00] Speaker A: Good luck in the coming weeks and months in New Zealand, where the Springboks have got a real test awaiting. And may your winemaking go from strength to strength.
And we will see you again, I'm sure.
[00:37:15] Speaker B: Thanks, Simon. Thanks for being a part of our journey in this bigger project of, you know, making use of a piece of soil that we only the custodians of and using what the soil gives us to be able to turn into wine and to change and add a little bit of value into everybody's life out.
[00:37:39] Speaker A: There, which I think you undoubtedly do. So that's it from Hallet's playbook. We'll see you again next week.
